[G.I. Gurdjieff] á Rencontres avec des hommes remarquables [church PDF] Ebook Epub Download Å Favorite quotes Yelov had a very original view about mental work He once said It s all the same our thoughts work day and night instead of allowing them to think about caps of invisibility or the riches of Aladdin, rather let them be occupied with something useful In giving direction to thought, of course a certain amount of energy is spent, but no is needed for this purpose in a while day than for the digestion of one meal I therefore decided to study languages not only to prevent my thoughts from idling but also not to allow them to hinder my other functions with their idiotic dreams and childish phantasies Besides, the knowledge of languages can in itself sometimes be useful page 117 Tags interestingThey sat down at the foot of the pyramid and I sat down not far away, so that I could distinctly hear all they were saying, and began to eat my chourek.
The gentleman who had met us, and who turned out to be a prince, asked the professor among other things Are you really still disturbing the remains of people who died long ago, and collecting the utterly worthless rubbish supposedly once used in their stupid lives What would you answered the professor This is at least something real and tangible, and not as ephemeral as that to which you have devoted your life, a life which you as a man of health and wealth could have used to the full You are looking for truth invented once upon a time by some crazy idler but if what I do contributes nothing to the satisfaction of curiosity, at least, if one wishes, it contributes to the pocket page 120 Tags funnySoloviev continued to drink and, having squandered what was left of his money, got some job with the railway, where he had been working for three months before I met him drinking incessantly all the while.
Soloviev s frank story touched me deeply At that time I already knew a great deal about hypnotism and, after bringing a man into a certain state, could influence him by suggestion to forget any undesirable habit I therefore proposed to Soloviev that I should help him, if he really wished to get rid of this pernicious habit of drinking vodka, and explained to him how I would do it He agreed, and the next day and each day thereafter I brought him into the hypnotic state and made the necessary suggestions He gradually came to feel such an aversion to vodka that he could not even bear to look at this poison , as he called it page 147 Tags interesting being highly honourable and honest, my father could never consciously build his own welfare on the misfortune of his neighbour But most of those round him, being typical contemporary people, took advantage of his honesty and deliberately tried to cheat him, thus unconsciously belittling the significance of that trait in his psyche which conditions the whole of Our Common Father s commandments for man page 48 Tags By this time Pogossian and I had come to the definite conclusion that there really was a certain something which people formerly knew, but that now this knowledge was quite forgotten page 87 Tags interestingIn former times the word shepherd did not have the same meaning as it has now Formerly a shepherd himself was the owner of the flocks he grazed and shepherds were considered among the richest people of the country some of them even possessing several flocks and herds page 88 Tags interestingWhat struck us most was the word Sarmoung, which we had come across several times in the book called Merkhavat This word is the name of a famous esoteric school which, according to tradition, was founded in Babylon as far back as 2500 B.
, and which was known to have existed somewhere in Mesopotamia up to the sixth or seventh century A.
D but about its further existence one could not obtain anywhere the least information.
The school was said to have possessed great knowledge, containing the key to many secret mysteries.
Many times had Pogossian and I talked of this school and dreamed of finding out something authentic about it, and now suddenly we found it mentioned in this parchment We were greatly excited page 90 Tags interestingThe priest went to a chest and took out a roll of parchment When he unrolled it I could not at first make out what it was, but when I looked at it closely My God What I experienced at that moment I shall never forget it.
I was seized with violent trembling, which was all the violent because I was inwardly trying to restrain myself and not show my excitement What I saw was it not precisely what I had spent long months of sleepless nights thinking about It was a map of what is called pre sand Egypt page 99 Tags interestingAs for the Armenians, on the other hand, they are called salted because they have a custom of salting a child at its birth.
I must add, by the way, that in my opinion this custom is not without its use My special observations have shown me that the new born children of other races suffer from a skin rash in the places where one usually applies some kind of powder to prevent inflammation, but with rare exceptions Armenian children, born in the same regions, do not suffer from this rash, although they have all the other children s diseases This fact I ascribe to the custom of salting pages 114 115 Tags interestingBesides being a phenomenon in the knowledge of books and authors, Yelov later on became a phenomenon in the knowledge of languages I, who then spoke eighteen languages, felt a green horn in comparison with him Before I knew a single word of any European language, he already spoke almost all of them so perfectly that it was hard to tell that the language he was speaking was not his own pages 116 117 Tags interesting This old man , continued Bogga Eddin, is a member of a brotherhood, known among the dervishes by the name of Sarmoung, of which the chief monastery is somewhere in the heart of Asia I had several long conversations with this old man In the last one he advised me to go to his monastery and stay there for a time.
He added that if I wished to go there, he would be willing to help me, and would find the necessary guides, on condition that I would take a solemn oath never to tell anyone where the monastery was situated.
Throughout the whole our journey, we strictly and conscientiously kept our oath not to look and not to try and find out where we were going and through what places we were passing When we halted for the night, and occasionally by day when we ate in some secluded place, our bashliks were removed But while on the way we were only twice permitted to uncover our eyes The first time was on the eighth day, when we were about to cross a swinging bridge which one could neither cross on horseback nor walk over two abreast, but only in single file, and this it was impossible to do with eyes covered.
On the way we changed horses and asses several times, and sometimes went on foot More than once we had to swim rivers and cross mountains, and by our sensations of heat and cold it was evident that we sometimes descended into deep valleys or climbed very high At last, when at the end of the twelfth day our eyes were uncovered, we found ourselves in a narrow gorge through which flowed a small stream whose banks were covered with a rich vegetation.
As we came nearer we were able to make out something like a fortress such as one finds on a smaller scale on the banks of the Amu Darya or the Pyandzh The buildings were encircled by a high unbroken wall pages 148 152 Tags Gault s Gulch, interestingSo it continued for about two weeks, until one day we were called into the third court, to the sheikh of the monastery, who spoke to us through an interpreter He appointed as our guide one of the oldest monks, an aged man who looked like an icon and was said by the other brethren to be two hundred and seventy five years old pages 160 161 Tags interestingPogossian and I were calmly walking along He was humming some march and swinging his stick Suddenly, as if from nowhere, a dog appeared, then another, and another, and still another in all about fifteen sheep dogs, who began barking at us Pogossian imprudently flung a stone at them and they immediately sprang at us.
They were Kurd sheep dogs, very vicious, and in another moment they would have torn us to pieces if I had not instinctively pulled Pogossian down and made him sit beside me on the road Just because we sat down the dogs stopped barking and springing at us surrounding us, they also sat down.
Some time passed before we came to ourselves and when we were able to take stock of the situation we burst out laughing As long as we remained sitting the dogs also sat, peacably and still, and when we threw them bread from our knapsacks, they ate it with great pleasure, some of them even wagging their tails in gratitude But when, reassured by their friendliness, we tried to stand up, then, Oh no, you don t for they instantly jumped up and, baring their teeth, made ready to spring at us so we were compelled to sit down once When we again tried to get up, the dogs showed themselves so viciously hostile that we did not risk trying a third time.
In this situation we remained sitting for about three hours I did not know how much longer we would have had to sit there if a young Kurd girl had not chanced to appear in the distance with an ass, gathering keesiak in the fields.
Making various signs to her, we finally managed to attract her attention, and when she came closer and saw what the trouble was, she went off to fetch the shepherds to whom the dogs belonged, who were not far away behind a hill The shepherds came and called off the dogs, but only when they were at some distance did we risk standing up and all the time they were moving away the rascals kept an eye on us pages 94 95 Loved reading this 1974 paperback edition Excellent stories of spirituality and adventure travel Could ve earned 4 stars but for this In my opinion in employing contemporary maps it would be ideally useful to put into practice the sense of a judicious saying which declares If you wish to succeed in anything then ask a woman for advice and do the opposite And also this In general, during the last two or three years, my inability to control the automatic manifestations of my subconscious and my instinct is such that I have become almost like an hysterical woman That said, I greatly enjoy reading and learning about all things Gurdjieff.
Look, I don t know much about Gurdjieff except that my library apparently subscribes to the newsletter, but this book was pretty good I don t know if it was the eye opening wisdom tome Greg may have subconsciously suggested it was, but there were some good stories in there Even if they were inconveniently told For instance, this is or less how the Pre Sands Egypt story goes Chapter 1 Oh man We found this rockin map WE ARE EXCITED TO GO ADVENTURING.
Chapter 2 Here s a story about a dog.
Chapter 3 Here s a story about a dude.
Chapter 4 Here s a story about a prince.
Chapter 4a Here s a story about a lady.
Chapter 5 Yeah Pre sand Egypt was pretty awesome You totally missed it.
Chapter 6 Here s a story about another dude.
Greg says Gurdfieff does this on purpose to get me to think or whatever I m just impressed by clever people going out in the world and making it on their good sense Something I am tragically terrible at.
da fan di battiato e robert fripp mi ero imbattuto pi volte in riferimenti a gurdjieff, ed era da tempo che volevo leggere qualcosa del filosofo guru gran maestro di vita e virt che ad un certo punto della loro esistenza cambi la loro vita e a quanto sembra influenz le loro opere.
e quindi mi sono buttato su questa autobiografia con spirito assolutamente aperto se ha influenzato gente cos chiss cosa scriver d incredibile.
beh, l inizio tipo il vostro nonno brontolone, che si lamenta che la cultura moderna fa schifo e il giornalismo una mafietta e si stava meglio quando si stava peggio vabb.
poi porta con la sua vita e i suoi incontri, vita che possiamo riassumere nella pratica formula a quel punto ho dovuto fare X in cui sono naturalmente esperto diventato subito bravissimo mi venuto facile grazie alla mia esperienza con X qualsiasi campo dello scibile umano, dalle lingue al commercio legale e truffaldino , dall alpinismo alle arti marziali, dalle riparazioni di cosa di tutto, ovviamente ai tappeti.
giuro, 400 pagine di autoincensazione continua, roba da lanciare il libro contro il muro mentre si ride allegramente.
ah, quando non bastassero le sue capacit , ecco giungere gli uomini straordinari del titolo, tutti incredibilmente intelligenti e preparati, capaci di cambiar vita per andar dietro alle avventure del nostro oppure grandi maestri che aspettavano solo il suo arrivo per sciorinare grandi verit quali il dunque tutto nel libro prossimo, qui al massimo qualche pillola di saggezza spicciola.
oh, trova pure la mappa dell egitto prima delle sabbie si allega documentazione ma sul pi bello non se ne sa pi nulla.
intendiamoci, magari ste storie raccontate da gurdjieff medesimo dovevano suonare affascinanti, ma lette cos non convincono affatto.
e cosa resta resta un romanzo chiamiamolo cos , suvvia di viaggi matti tra armenia, medio oriente, russia e altri posti ancora, ed un bel viaggiare con la mente e immaginarseli come dovevano essere allora.
poco per convincermi a seguire il suo pensiero, ma per qualche ora di letture pu bastare.
basta cos , per.
I was reminded again about a book I read years ago in my teens What a bloody remarkable man he was too Spirituality, adventure, wisdom, exotic places, grand ideas, wonderfully fresh worldviews there are so many things I enjoyed about this book I had always and everywhere, in all conditions and circumstances, to remember myself and to remember the task I had set myself, by the fulfillment of which I wished and still wish to justify the sense and aim of my life pg 301I relate to his need to wander, explore, learn, and overcome challenges I don t think every human is born with this hunger to do and see but I certainly think I share this quality with him.
I feel Gurdjieff said a lot in this book but left even unsaid this book is rather a lengthy adventure novel slash travel guide than a book on his philosophy or spiritual teaching It can also be seen as an ode to these remarkable men and one woman and dog Gurdjieff met and shaped his ideas during the course of his life even though it is not sure whether these people and one dog truly existed or were made up by Gurdjieff The reason for calling the book lengthy is because it is very descriptive but mostly consists of descriptions of places and people he met, not ideas Whenever the stories go into the direction of what these remarkable men truly taught him, Gurdjieff states he will explain this in detail in a soon to be written work To be fair, the first chapters devoted to his father, first tutor and substitution teacher state quite clearly how these men shaped Gurdjieff Gurdjieff uses direct quotes and lists to explain his father s subjective sayings, his tutor s ideas on sexual desire and his teacher s outlook on objective and subjective morality However, from the fifth chapter onwards, the chapters get longer and seem to lose the clarity and precision of taught life lessons that are present in the first chapters and introduction Still, the book gave me a proper first insight into Gurdjieff s life and I m interested in reading about and from him.
Le Avventure Picaresche Raccontate In Questo Libro Con Una Semplicit Orientale Che Sconcertava Per La Sua Apparenza Di Ingenuit Sono Per Gurdjieff Innanzitutto Uno Strumento Per Iniziare Il Lettore Alle Sue Dottrine, Per Sottoporlo A Una Serie Di Choc E Di Paradossi Che Possono Orientarlo Verso Il Risveglio